Lower price of enriched ore

StellarFlare

Right now enriched ore costs way too much for what it does
It increases your success change at +9-> +10 by 50% while costing 4x more and allowing your gear to break on failure. HD ore doesn't require additional bsb so it's the go-to refine option.
I recommend adjusting enriched ore to account for all those downsides. I don't think it should cost 4x more. Hell, I don't think it should even cost 2x more considering how bsb tied it is. If anything, costing the same or like 300 Muh Points should be ideal for it.

Pipo

Enriched ore need for refine 2 lvl armor and price good, for 1 lvl armor use refine ticket!

StellarFlare

Shadow gears exist
Also, I disagree, it's still 4x the price for 50% increase on odds

Pipo

StellarFlare Use bsb, or HD ore + Shadow hammer with fail, stop it. Refine buffed in patch.

SpaceHelm

StellarFlare i mean to be fair. if u believe using HD has more worth than enriched, then it might be wiser to use HD. end of discussion.

toruru

If the price of enriched ores is expensive due to level 2 equipment as pipo said, I believe we are having a disagreement about this, because HD carnium and HD bradium ores are also used for these equipment and cost only 500 muh points.

StellarFlare

toruru Those aren't even used. You use the 250 one between 10-15 and the carnium/bradium one for 16-20
For 1-9 you use normal and enriched

StellarFlare

SpaceHelm Isn't that what I wrote? That the enriched price is too high and never worth it?
That's literally what I said.
Im proposing lowering it's price to make it a viable option. Because as it stands, it isn't and all I use is HD ore.

Misao did the calculations. it's not mathematically feasible for any refine, be it lv1, lv2 or shadow gear.

SpaceHelm

StellarFlare Im proposing lowering it's price to make it a viable option. Because as it stands, it isn't and all I use is HD ore.

this point is where im disagreeing.. felt like everything needs to be in the exact same worth.. (tho im not doing the calculation) sometime im using the Enriched for lv 2 Armor.

Misao

There are 3 different uses for enriched ores:

Lv 1 Armor / Lv 4 Weapon

Useless. Just get a Safe to X certificate. Not worth discussing for this purpose.

Shadow Gear

Useless. Not worth the risk of breaking. It will never be worth it even if the ores were free.

Lv 2 Armor / Lv 5 Weapon

This is the only real use for enriched ores at the moment so this is what I'll focus on.

Facts about enriched ores:

Better rates
Decrease 1 level on failure instead of 3
They cost 1000/900 Muh

The alternative, normal ores, only cost oridecon/elunium and etel dust. So enriched ores don't cost "4x more" but like 170x more. And while intuition may tell you they aren't worth it, when we go and do the math we find out that using enriched ore at +9 > +10 is actually not that bad.

While it's slightly more expensive, you cut the number of attempts considerably. Here's a comparison:

			| Steps	| Cost
Only Etherium		| 487	| 48.72 M
Enriched at +9 > +10	| 251	| 53.31 M

This is assuming current market prices:

Elunium 40k
Etel Dust 10k
Refinement NPC 50k
Enriched Elu 8.5m

So yeah I'd say it's pretty balanced. However it's only really useful at the last step. And as the price of normal ores and etel goes down, it'll be less and less worth it to use enriched cost-wise. Where enriched really shines is in saving you precious time and sanity by nearly halving the number of times you'll hear the clink clank of refinement.

I'm not posting the math here because it's out of the scope of the post but for now just trust me bro.

guezel

I'm going to correct you something. If you buy Enriched Elu in the market for 8.5m you are throwing away your zeny, and the reason is very simple.
If you buy in the market for 8.5m, about 10 Enriched Elu will cost you in 85m and you will only have those 10. However, if you buy the box of 10 Enriched Elu in the Muh Shop that costs 9000 points, it would cost you about 72m (8m ea Muh Voucher) or maybe 81m (9m ea Muh Voucher). Let's use the more expensive voucher option, and each Enriched Elu cost you 8.1m and you also get 2 "free" BSBs. If you discount the price of the BSBs for the NPC it would be 17m (8.5m ea BSB), so the real price of only the 10 Enriched Elu was 64m, that is, 6.4m each Enriched Elu.
I'm sorry but I never really felt like there was a problem with the price of the Enriched Elu. At the beginning, when I saw that the box cost 9000 points, it seemed a bit expensive, but when I saw that it also gave me 2 BSB, it seemed to me that everything was fine.

Muh

We feel this isn't needed.