@noks - rework (help big aoe players)

jinbou

So my suggestion is to prevent the possibility of kill stealing at all. And you disagree because you want to punish players for efficient farming? Hah.

The current implementation of noks already prevents killstealing from happening, your suggestion doesn't change/improve anything in that regard.

And yes I want the people who obstinately try to steal mobs to keep getting punished too. Many people do it clearly intentionally and they're being insufferable, so some kind of deterrent needs to be in place. If you don't intentionally do it and you pay even a little bit of attention, then it won't happen over 10 times within 5 minutes. It's pretty simple.

MadMonkey

evilvell my suggestion is to prevent the possibility of kill stealing at all

If this is your aim, you might as well put a little bit more effort and avoid KSing as much as possible.
That'd resolve your problem with KS warnings.

evilvell you disagree because you want to punish players for efficient farming?

I have neither the power nor the desire to punish any player.
You're punishing yourself by triggering other players' KS protection, and getting debuffed as a result.
That's on you.

All I have to add is, if what you call efficient farming merely equates to you running/TPing around throwing nukes left and right with no care, triggering multiple warnings that add up to a hefty debuff, it probably is deserved.
It takes multiple warnings in a short span of time to even see that debuff.
And even more for it to start to become impacting.
We're not talking about occasional KS accidents here.

CongaLyne

I think the main problem with noks warning spam more than anything else is it's annoying.
It's like someone's constantly tapping you on the back of the head telling you that you left clicked when you already know.

In dungeons like Nif2 it's currently highly incentivized to teleport, laser focus on any grotes you find, kill them and then teleport away to find a new batch.
There's no incentive during that period to wait around and see if anyone else is nearby to avoid KSing them because if you do that you'll massively lower your kills/hr and ironically have your own grotes stolen by other players.

During peak nif2 hours, it's definitely easy to get more than 20 warnings in 5 minutes with high player density, nobody's intentionally trying to KS during that period but it just happens due to how many people there are.
Most of the time in there I don't even notice other players on my screen until I'm confused why I can't damage something, all I see are grotes.

It's not a conscious act to KS essentially is what it comes down to and it's frustrating having the game frame it that way, especially when there's already the "miss" system in place to prevent you KSing at all.

Muh

We feel the system itself is in a good spot right now - feel free to correct me though.

Question is rather, shall we do something about the messages?

DreamFall

Muh I think it'd be nice to add another option to Kill Steal Protection settings menu as it's done for BG messages item for example: in addition to on and off make another option "On with notifications disabled" or something like that (but you'll still see blue ones on maps where KS doesn't work). Sounds legit for me.

SpaceHelm

Muh can we somehow check if we happened to getting the debuff ? and how many debuff we have ?

additionally i have something in my mind, but yeah in my personal opinion, i wont ks people necessarily, but when i teleport, drop skills as quick as i can to maximize my farming, i might have also targeted monster that already been tag'ed by other people. therefore i got the warning ks. genuinely its hard sometime when we are in crowded map, to know which monster belongs to us / not.

My question is more like, why do we get warning message (debuff also), when the KS protection is triggered? because in a sense ks protection makes my skills missed toward the monster, which also means = im not really ks'ing them, because the monster doesnt get hit by my skill. the ks protection already do their jobs on protectings player's monster. why does the other party needs to get debuff?

i would love to hear ur answer about this. since i feel like ur ks protection system is already good on making other people miss their skills while trying to "ks".

EvilLumi

Make @noks even MORE aggressive, so people become even more careful and just start acting considerate instead of just jumping on a mob they think is free. People would learn then. 😃

Seems like it's finally working.

MadMonkey

EvilLumi This, but unironically.
Too many peeps acting like there's no farming to be had without not caring/paying attention to their surroundings.
Literally the main reason the "miss" system was implemented.
So you can keep KSing without actually KSing.
Instead of, you know, not KSing in the first place.

kaiakaito

Moving it to rejected.

« Previous Page