My thoughts on the most recent 2 patches

Valentino2046

Did not even bothered to login to test out the newest changes, it seems that the main intention of the most recent 2 patches is to intentionally slow down progress

03/FEB patch
1) Ancient Riddler: Nerfed
You used to be able to get more than 15 times if you play riddler efficiently on each cooldown on all 15 char, now capped at 15 times per day.

2) Daily-Hunts/Instance Board Quests: Nerfed
Same as above, capped at 15 times per day, doesn't matter if you have a bunch of alts lined up.

16/FEB Patch
1) Increased HP of monsters, by triple/quadruple of main farming place, notably CTB
Those that done farming before all the monster hp buffs, they are safe, newbies in the other hand will suffer.

Muh

Valentino2046 2) Daily-Hunts/Instance Board Quests: Nerfed
Same as above, capped at 15 times per day, doesn't matter if you have a bunch of alts lined up.

No sure where you're seeing a nerf here. It was technically unchanged. You might have misunderstood something.
It was limited by the main account before that (which could be at max 15 chars). It's about item rewards. Not EXP rewards.
Last patch made life about these quests even easier. (this is a huge buff if you don't like alts)

Valentino2046 1) Ancient Riddler: Nerfed
You used to be able to get more than 15 times if you play riddler efficiently on each cooldown on all 15 char, now capped at 15 times per day.

Feedback about this was even positive and there will be other ways of obtaining coins added.

Valentino2046 1) Increased HP of monsters, by triple/quadruple of main farming place, notably CTB
Those that done farming before all the monster hp buffs, they are safe, newbies in the other hand will suffer.

This was added as part of the new content following the official patch about these. We'll see how everyone will feel about it and we surely will find a good solution if everyone becomes unhappy.

Valentino2046

Muh

No sure where you're seeing a nerf here. It was technically unchanged. You might have misunderstood something.
It was limited by the main account before that (which could be at max 15 chars). It's about item rewards. Not EXP rewards.

From my point of view, while the uncapped EXP rewards changes is great, but once you hit max Base/Job level, it will become irrelevant.

Last patch made life about these quests even easier. (this is a huge buff if you don't like alts)

Exactly, if you hated alts, with previous uncapped reward, In around 2 Hours playtime, i'd be able to get 110 Heirlooms and 150 Instance coins

110 Heirlooms roughly netts about 1 ~ 2 BSB, 100 ~ 110 Muh Coins
Instance coins are very versatile to purchase whatever you needed from Doil to progress.

Below are few of my farming strategy, to run as much profitable content on 10 chars in the shortest time possible
*Irrelevant now, due to capping at 15 times of rewards.

Total Profit Per char per ~ 12 mins
Heirlooms = 11
Instance Coin = 15

A) Instance ~ 8 Mins
1- Edda - 1 Loom/6 Instance Coins
2- Buwaya - 1 Loom/4 Instance Coins
3- Poring Village - 1 Loom/ 5 Instance Coins

B) Dungeon ~ 3 Mins
Magma 3 - 4 Looms/The Other Board item rewards are irrelevant + 3 Eden Coins

C) Collectibles ~ 1 Mins
Thanatos Tower Fragments - 4 Looms + Brilliant/Sin Pieces

Optional Farming - if i needed something like Illusion Stone
Illusion Dungeon ~ 8-9 Mins (only 3 of these due to density)
1- Deepsea 2F - 1 Loom / 15 Illusion Stone
2- Labyrinth - 1 Loom / 15 Illusion Stone
3- Teddybear - 1 Loom / 15 Illusion Stone
Total Illusion Stone per char = 45 (Total 450 for10 char)

Feedback about this was even positive and there will be other ways of obtaining coins added.

Again, if you hated riddler.
In my opinion, why Riddler is very important to serve as an alternatives to earn Muh Coins

1) Players aren't always inclined to compete in in-game automated event, specifically there's only one winner for most of the events, playing riddler efficiently makes at least 75 Muh Coins per cooldown.
2) Timezone difference - Could not join special events like GM bombrings to earn lots of Muh Coins
3) Following the Hunting Board reward hard capping at 15 times, getting looms from them indirectly nerfed the Muh Coins Income too

This was added as part of the new content following the official patch about these. We'll see how everyone will feel about it and we surely will find a good solution if everyone becomes unhappy.

If we are following Official KR server changes for the HP changes, then i have zero grudge against it.

Muh

Valentino2046 uncapped reward

Once again, rewards were ALWAYS capped at 15 as you couldn't get those on more than 15 characters.
It was 15 (alt accounts did not get item rewards), it is 15, it's just easier to get the 15 now.

Valentino2046

Muh
Was the changes capping item rewards at total of 15 times?
Example after 1 char done 15 times of board hunting quest, the 16th only gains exp and not the items (heirlooms and corresponded reward)

If it's total of 15 times across all characters, its a nerf.
If it's 15 times per character, then the patch note wording is off.

Muh

Valentino2046 maybe there's the problem.
It's 15 per day per master account per quest.

Trust me when I say nothing was nerfed 😉

Valentino2046

Muh

Still confused, it used to be only the 15 characters in main account gets heirlooms and items rewards.
Every character in main account was able to grind more than 15 board hunting quest rewards.

The new changes doesn't restrict characters at Main account only, but is 15 chars that could get item rewards (no matter main/alt account)

My question is, does it cap total of 15 item rewards only?
Example > after 1 char done 15 times of board hunting quest, the 16th only gains exp and not the items (heirlooms and corresponded reward)

If not, what exactly is this 15 times that we are talking about? Care to put in example?

Muh

Item rewards are limited to 15 times the same quest per day.
You can day quest A and quest B 15 times and you will get 30 item rewards

Valentino2046

Muh

I see now, the term of capping 15 times of reward per quest,

I could run 30 characters (across main/alt accounts) on Quest A,
but only the 1st 15 chars gets items rewards for Quest A,
16th chars and onward can still do Quest A, but only gets exp and not the items.

Patch note wording needs work.

As for Riddler, i would suggest to raise the maximum cap from 15 to 45
Reasoning is, previously if you don't sleep at all, you can play total of 90 times of riddler within 24 hours, across 15 chars in main account.

24 Hours / 4 Hours (CD) = 6
15 Chars * 6 = 90

But realistically, one would not stay awake that much, hence if someone is willing to log in to 45 different chars to chain riddler, so be it.

Lastly, is there any patch note regarding of Monster HP increment for KRO? I don't seemed to be able to find it online.

Just did a quick comparison
Sieglouse at CTB went from 9,738,335 to 40,083,122 (4.11 times more HP)
Ghost Cube at Niflheim went from 4,439,942 to 12,735,150 (2.86 times more HP)
Grote at Niflheim 2F went from 9,950,045 to 47,842,600 (4.80 times more HP)

This will be a huge choke for newbies for leveling between 240 to 260

As for Veterans that are geared, this should not be any issue, but for newbies, this is obscenely harsh.

Muh

Valentino2046 Lastly, is there any patch note regarding of Monster HP increment for KRO? I don't seemed to be able to find it online.

The patch we're talking about is this one: https://ro.gnjoy.com/news/notice/View.asp?BBSMode=10001&seq=7621&curpage=8
Though there are no values. I've got the values for the most part from players on kRO, some from estimation via videos.
Niflheim 2 having the greatest relative increase in HP, these values are 100% accurate.

Hannie

kRO have their own problems, and the impact from this patch on us is much larger .
For example

KRO have a very active market, a vast selection of p2w gears and sgs on cash shop ( which we will not implement by the looks of it ) so there will always be alternative way to get supply. ALternatively, party play in there is bigger with more players, leading to easier time in mentioned map, not to mention the amount of geared people there. Right now there is no alternative way to progress here, farming geffenia will only get you so far
1st, Our market is very limited, you will 90% have to farm and do things yourself. and right now it's neigh impossible for any new player to get pass the "200 level map" wall ( it used to be from 800k ~ 1m5 hp jump to 4m then 9m , now it jumps straight to 30m hp+ ). For example, one of the 3 backbones for 4th job gear is etel dust, which is locked behind 200+ maps, for the lowest drop in amiticia floor 1 or nifheim dungeon floor 1 where you get like one drop per 20 mobs
2nd, lategame farming maps is totally inacessible in anyway right now for people that dont have end game gear, i am literally one piece away from BIS, and i cant farm in CTB and nifheim 2 is what is going on right now, imagine what anyone without a perfect gear do. The updates didnt even come with more reward, our farm places were taken out, give to a very specific group of high end player, and it doesnt even reward more. This would be nice if it was extending our map base rather than replacing the old one, no one wants their thing taken away

Sigtyr

Hannie I totally agree on this, coming from a newbie standpoint with approx. 3 mos of playing experience, I just had midgame gears and was finally enjoying farming at CTB, but now it's another insurmountable wall for me. It's hard enough already to farm for raw zeny. I feel like my effort exerted to gear my character (Magic IG) was wasted and should've picked other jobs. I'm happy with my damage previously, but now it seems insignificant.