Clarification of mob ownership

teriodjein

KS is against the rules, but the rule is vague

"you are definitely breaking the rule, what are the rules again?"
giga brain

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Might be funny but i think thana 12 is the least of your worries if its about people teleporting on pack of mob you collect and just use their aoe skill, since teleport skill itself is disabled there.
My experience with other player in thana 12 is usually silent agreement to move to other route if the person is already there, even if there's a case it usually just an accident. Is just the map not viable for farming when there's >4 people given how small the map it is.

SpaceHelm

Misao They are not the same. I'll use Cruro's great analogy: why should you have to worry and take measures against people grabbing the food from your fork?

The question is, why are u halucinating that the food is in ur fork?

Misao You aren't alone in the game and this isn't "law of the jungle" as someone said, there are rules.

Go play farmville, where u can farm in ur own field. U farm with other people, its all about competition, if u play with novice in thana12, dont ask people to let u kill more. Just eat what u are able to eat. Or maybe bring a bigger fork.

Misao

SpaceHelm

Go play farmville, where u can farm in ur own field. U farm with other people, its all about competition, if u play with novice in thana12, dont ask people to let u kill more. Just eat what u are able to eat. Or maybe bring a bigger fork.

Why is "Don't KS" even a rule then? Let's remove it all together if it's just fair competition...

Again, this isn't about making all classes equal. I don't have a problem with a mage making 2 times the zeny I make. I have a problem with them making part of that zeny at the expense of others, ignoring the presence of others, disrupting their gameplay and taking advantage of their efforts. All of that while KS isn't even allowed.

zarkhaev
raigiku8000

I can't justify this as breaking the rules, it is within their normal abilities to farm there as efficient as possible

so the AM need to limit their class potential ?

Disrupting other people's gameplay is not part of your potential. What potential is that even if you 'need' to KS others to farm? Truth is you don't need to. If you actively and intentionally KS others you're just being greedy at their expense.

And I'll reiterate this gain, KS is as of right now against the rules. And I have no idea where this interpretation even came from that "if it hasn't been hit it's not ks", that's something you guys came up with because the rules are vague, but most importantly because it means more profit to you.

do i need to have high level of focus so i can stop when i see a person in a split second ?

It really depends on what the official stance on this will be. But I'd say that's just as lame as my low effort farming I did some days ago, and it's disruptive to other players (which is the main issue in this entire post).

Since we're at it maybe Muh could clarify the 'don't disrupt' rule as well, since pretty much anything can be considered a disruption including this kind of KSing.

zarkhaev

Misao I'm talking about a mage running in circles throwing AOE everywhere disregarding other players in a map. You can do that when you're alone in the map, but not with other people. I also have to adapt when there are others and make less zeny, that's how it works. You aren't alone in the game and this isn't "law of the jungle" as someone said, there are rules.

I strongly agree that being courteous to other players should be the norm, however, in the case of farming, maximizing efficiency is paramount (as long as you do not bot or something along that line). When I was in Thana12, I passionately hate mages because of their large AoE and killing everything on sight, even my mobs, but I can't justify this as breaking the rules, it is within their normal abilities to farm there as efficient as possible (hence why AMs have advantage over other classes in Thana12 in this case).

I don't need to 'adapt' (for the lack of better term) when someone came into the map I'm farming, because frankly, why should I do that? It would hurt my earnings for no reason, as I genuinely believe other people wouldn't care about that. From my anecdotal experience, farming in CTB, there isn't significant difference when it was empty and filled with people.

As reiterated above, several classes have their own advantages against other classes when it comes to farming, hence why classes like Ninja or AM is very popular.

koisein

how about KSing = -100 health
more than 30 mobs KSed = -3000 health
and so on

raigiku8000

Misao

This isn't about making all classes equal. It's about making competition fair.

competition beetwen other class was never fair, the game itself give you tool to farm, every class has their downside

I'm talking about a mage running in circles throwing AOE everywhere disregarding other players in a map. You can do that when you're alone in the map, but not with other people. I also have to adapt when there are others and make less zeny, that's how it works. You aren't alone in the game and this isn't "law of the jungle" as someone said, there are rules.

so the AM need to limit their class potential ? i play SA at CTB, i just wanna chill listening to music pressing two button fly wing and white tiger, im not allowed to do that ? all my fly wing and white tiger it take split second to do, am i wrong if i didn't see the other player trying to mob ? do i need to have high level of focus so i can stop when i see a person in a split second ?

LAC

raigiku8000 Yes. It's called basic decency.

EvilLumi

Muh People would appreciate more tinkering. Thank you.

LAC Technically, this can go both ways. If you're not killing in an optimal way, then you are technically holding the mobs from the players who can. You are impeding their farm, by farming slower. I know this sounds ignorant, but certain people are on a timer, and they only have so long to farm, so they make the best of it, by using every opportunity they can. It would be basic decency NOT to farm in an area where you cannot 1 shot, or mob and kill as effectively.

crybabyhunter

sounds like a serious personal case of "Git gud"

Muh

We really just hope, that players respect each other and when they see someone with monster, they don't try to interfere or even steal those.

Any technical solution has its pro's and con's. We will continue altering the existing ks-protection system.
That said we're going to implement changes that will hopefully train everyone to stop casting recklessly into others.

LAC

EvilLumi I'm sorry is there a rulebook that says only 1 hitting monsters is allowed now? Please stop trying to defend shitty player behavior.
The players on a 'timer' don't need to killsteal. This isn't a discussion.
I will farm where I want, regardless of my gear or class.
Read Muh's reply above you, especially the first sentence, slowly.

mseifer

EvilLumi

What kind of elitist entitled mentality is that??

What am I even reading here?

EvilLumi

mseifer I know it must be very difficult for you and Mr. Lac to understand the thought processes that differ from your own, because it's just WRONG, and how could anyone think in such a way, but if the Staff hadn't deleted my previous post, then perhaps that would be explained. It won't be explained now. I wish you luck in the understanding of people who are foreign to your train of thought, which whom there are plenty just on this server, let alone on this world.

Holvar

Both things count as mob ownership, aggro from the monster, and doing damage to the monster. there is no argument. yes the original anti ks system @noks does block ksing when you damage the mob. but it cannot work for mob aggression. but mob aggression is implied as giving ownership of mob. also any mob you spawn is considered your mob. Also if you have status on the mob, it is considered your mob. Basic rules of mob ownership are basic. A lot of players just don't care and ks anyway, which is shameful and rude!

I see complaints of people getting in the way of map mob respawn time by "holding mobs an extra second or two" this is not mob respawn efficient , this is map wipe efficiency which is considered over mobbing, not allowing other players mobs to kill because of greed to kill all mobs on a map. This is also considered rude and usually against the rules despite any items being used to boost map wipe efficiency.... No normal spawn map only belongs to any single player. It is for everyone to enjoy! please respect other players by allowing them to also have mobs to kill!

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