Cardinal Dimensions Set | Nullify the gem consumption of Adoramus

crybabyhunter

Other dps cardis don’t cry about this, you shouldn’t too.

Xisde

crybabyhunter thank you for your contribution, it was very constructive for the discussion. Keep up the good work! 🙂

KaptainPickles

I'll be honest and say I don't think this is necessary. Gems are fairly cheap, weigh basically nothing, and I believe they can still be bagged. Just put the gems in your toolbar/item bar and keep track of them.

crybabyhunter

Xisde there is no depth to the logic behind this, being constructive isn't warranted. This is more a case of "having your cake and eating it too".

Mysto

As other people stated, there are other classes that also consume items/ammo to cast and it works as a gimmick on their respective jobs/kits, i dont think removing gem consumtion its really needed in this case.

Xisde

Mysto I understand your point and agree with it.

However, in this case Adoramus is cast automatically when using Arbitrium even when there are no gems in the inventory. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for the gems to be consumed when there are gems in the inventory.

Also, It's forces an item to be used, while using a skill that is substantially weaker and does no damage in comparison, while consuming something you would rather keep for more important useful things, like ancilla.

I would like to emphasize that I suggested nullifying blue gem consumption ONLY and SPECIFICALLY when Adoramus is cast automatically when using Arbitrium with the Dimensions set. In all other cases, gem consumption will continue as normal.

EvilLumi

crybabyhunter There is logic. It's forces an item to be used, while using a skill that is substantially weaker and does no damage in comparison, while consuming something you would rather keep for more important useful things, like ancilla. The set burdens a priest, while trying to weigh a benefit of damage that isn't that great at all.

I understand how difficult this must be to comprehend because you're desperately acting ignorant for no apparent reason, but don't bring logic into an equation that you know nothing about. It's best to ask what it could be, instead of assuming nothing. Please humble yourself.

crybabyhunter

EvilLumi if you wanna be a dps so bad then you have to act like one, and that includes sucking up to deeply ingrained in game mechanics like carrying materials. Other dps classes has to deal with the same thing, so why should make an exception for your class? Stop acting like a spoiled crybaby.

“Humble yourself.”

That’s rich coming from someone who has done nothing but complain, write bad reviews, and roll with the wrong crowd. What did you do when that bad crowd got banned for their own dumb antics? You cried about it. You haven’t contributed anything of value to the server to be this entitled. Take your own advice.

Eneru

The thing is:

Xisde "even when there are no gems in the inventory"

It just does not makes sense. If you can autocast the skill without consuming any item, why consume it when you have such item?

I don't use any job that has this, but i'd vote +1 on removing any consumables from autocasting IF you can keep autocasting it even without those consumables. Just make it consistent.

aewuu

This is sounding more like a bug, "even when there are no gems in inventory"

Classes that utilizes TDRC autocast consumes a catalyst (perfs/WH/SA)

Xisde

aewuu I didn't know that, I just checked with an SA who uses TDRC autocast and he told me that 2 talismans are consumed per skill use, one talisman for used skill and another for autocast skill.

Do you know if Cardinal is the only class using TDRC that uses a skill that doesn't need a catalyst (blue gems) and autocast a skill that needs a catalyst?

Choi

aewuu so there is a bug report on this https://forum.muhro.eu/d/3412-autocasted-adoramus-from-tdrc-consumes-blue-gems

But based off the link provided it seems like this is expected behavior? I added my comments on that thread

aewuu

Its just SA/Archers/NW/Cardinal iirc.

These classes can auto-cast the skills despite not meeting the required catalyst in inventory (ex: 1 talisman, 1 arrow etc). However, the difference between these classes and a cardinal, I would reckon is that a cardinal normally wouldn't bring 3k-10k bgems

While SA/Archers/NW would bring 3k+ talismans, arrows etc.

You can also refer to here:
https://forum.muhro.eu/d/2459-time-dimension-rune-crown-reverberation-arrows/4

IMO: Since AP is not consumed from auto-cast, and no additional SP is consumed. The auto-casts shouldn't consume additional catalysts either.