Change mechanics of the Village of Deception instance

MadMonkey

jinbou It does sound crazy, but that'd have more to do with you seemingly not getting the point I was making.
At all.
And now I'm as surprised as you are, albeit for different reasons.

I never claimed Villa was a party galore.
In fact, I clearly acknowledged this in my very first post in the thread.
What I said however is that this is one of the very few instances that are indeed designed with party play in mind.
It's literally baked into its mechanics.
The only reason the 2 players requirement "isn't doing its job" is due to multiclienting once again ruining things for everyone (dunno where you ever saw me defending it by the way).
The difference is this is where I put the blame: the playerbase, for leaning way too hard into soloing and the server, for allowing it in the first place.
You put it on the instance's design instead.
And this is where the first point is made.
And missed.

The second one is more a matter of principles.
No matter how much it is soloed to death by everyone and their mother, this is actually a hardcoded party based instance in its design.
So, singling out the mechanic that makes it so to shelve it because it is a bother to those that'd rather solo it but without cheesing it via multiclienting absolutely is a step in the wrong direction as far as I'm concerned.

coffee Don't you worry about me holmes.
I knew it was accepted way before actually commenting.
I'm just hard headed like that.

jinbou

Meh, you're looking at it very idealistically, instead of realistically. It's very obvious why no one wants to deal with party recruitments just to have the other players(s) open a damn door at the very start of an instance, when there's nothing else that encourages party play in the instance. Not to mention how the rewards heavily discourage making parties. It's just wrong to blame the playerbase on this one, anyone can see why this is a terrible way to make an instance party-based and why it fails to convince even a single player to make real parties to clear the instance.

If gravity designed it this way, it's only because there is no master account system in kRO. There's no other reason why they wouldn't make the requirement 2+ "real" players to actually enforce having parties if that was their aim. But we do have the master account system, so why not utilize it? What baffles me is that you're also not a fan of such custom changes that would actually enforce party play as well. Instead you just insist on keeping things vanilla when the implementation is obviously terible and has a 0% success rate on accomplishing what it's supposed to do, just for "principles". Okay I guess, but it just seems futile to me.

CongaLyne

jinbou Yeah, forcing party play for the start of the instance and never having it be relevent anywhere else is a huge ball drop on gravity's part.
It would've been interesting if there were a lot more things which had to be done in sync or what happens with betel where the boss does so much damage that you need a tank to take the hits for the squishy DPS but villa of deception is just poor implementation that forces partyplay instead of encouraging it.

MadMonkey

jinbou What baffles me is that you're also not a fan of such custom changes that would actually enforce party play as well

?
Since when tho?
First I'm pro multiclient, then pro vanilla, then anti customization.
What's next then?
Pro solo? Pro powercreep perhaps?
That's not even a reach at this point, this is Dhalsim's limbs stretching level.
But no matter.

jinbou it just seems futile to me

This I can't deny.
Clearly I'm wasting my time in here.

jinbou

MadMonkey

Since when tho?

I was talking about your stance on this suggestion, didn't mean generally. Both in forum threads (this one & previous thread) and in our discord chats, you've only voiced disdain against the proposed suggestions, you've ignored the proposals for making custom changes to the instance in a way it'd encourage party play too, even when directly replying to posts that suggested it. You didn't propose any similar alternatives to encourage party play there either. Naturally I assumed that you want to keep this instance in its vanilla state and that you're against the customization ideas too. We've talked about this so much over the past two months, if you were a fan of alternative solutions like that, surely you would’ve brought it up? Or at least, you should have.

Josh

Lets reveal the truth here: If the Instance would get soloable a lot people would do the instance on their daily routine and thus the MVP Cards would become more and more available to the community. THus dropping the income of those, farming them for the resale purpose.

There is a reason, why mostly BiS People are writing here for and against it.

I confess, that the suggestion is an selfish one, cause I myself need both MvP Cards for my Biolo and its realling stressing me out to lvl twice the amount of Chars I need, just to get the god damn door open at the very start.

Sagii

the more reason not to make adjustment to it. have a little challenge on something that is rewarding.

jinbou

having multiclient requirement doesn't make an instance challenging, it just makes it annoying as hell for people that dislike using alts. If you want to make the instance challenging, just make it more challenging in literally any other way, anything but forcing people that hate it to multiclient >_>

Lets reveal the truth here: If the Instance would get soloable a lot people would do the instance on their daily routine …

No let's not phrase it wrong, the instance is already soloable. Implementing this suggestion won't suddenly make it soloable, it won't reduce its difficulty, and it won't make the time it takes to clear the instance any faster. Yes I will spam it more often if this suggestion is implemented, but that's only because it'll be more comfy to do it without alt management, which is literally just QoL.

Akin

Isn't this suggestion already approved? Move on guys please.

Edit: Btw later rune rablet update will add a new card album (exchange with 100 imperfect rune IIRC) for 0.01% chance to get a specific mvp card from episode 18/19. So yeah, demigod will eventually be a tiny bit easier to obtain (since 0.01% is absurdly low).

coffee

Hello MUH.. What happened to my suggestion.. so many things were changed in the instance and less the one that interests us the most.

Honestly, I really wanted to do this instance alone without the help of a client duo.

Eagerly waiting for the change.

Muh

coffee As it was accepted,, there will be change. As always no ETA

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